Chelsea Sierra Voss @csvoss
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@ciphergoth Fair enough! They do say “less room” so that tracks.
“The seeds were generated in a very simple way: a common pseudorandom number generator initialized from the clock, which anyone can now reproduce. That leaves much less room for subversion and that we can be confident the parameters are secure.” —my friends, right before I beat them at a game of GitHub Nomic back in 2019 by brute-force-searching through putative merge timestamps until I found one that hashed to my liking jefftk.com/p/nomic-game-2…
CLAUDE FOUND THE SEEDS anthropic.com/research/ecdsa…
@kipperrii guess it’s mandatory offline time 😂
@kipperrii this is the second time I’ve received this advice this morning but how am I gonna mute the words “you,” “can,” “see,” and “everything” 🫨
@QiaochuYuan aw I don’t get this at all, it’s highly readable to me. curious whether there’s some specific jargon I could help unpack
interpretability might be the most important scientific problem in the world right now, as I don't think we can solve alignment if we don't know what we're building. I think I have good news about it. I co-authored early work in mechanistic interpretability at OpenAI and came away pessimistic, because neural networks appeared to fold into arbitrary tangled knots. years later, I started openai's first large-scale automated interpretability project, finding about 2% of neurons legible with the primitive tools we had with modern agentic tools and a much closer look, the picture looks totally different. the vast majority in models up to trillions of parameters are legible, and their circuits beautiful. many famous examples of tangled neurons turned out to be misunderstood. The roadblocks I expected mostly aren't there. I now think ambitious interpretability will be solved by the time we need it most, and possibly quite soon, as automated scientists keep improving. it may be a bitter lesson for interpretability: the simple thing, at absurd scale, works already-clean.goodfire.com
@GuiveAssadi @tszzl @Turn_Trout (fwiw I was originally thinking only of features in my first reply, which seem clearly mechinterp? — but steering vectors do seem like a valid superset of what I meant (every feature is steerable, but not every steerable thing is a feature), so, happy to pivot/concede to those)
@GuiveAssadi @tszzl @Turn_Trout okay but “as you said above” is wrong though — I do think they’re useful! that was the whole rhetorical point of my reply :) something can be useful while also being not yet effectively productized to its full untapped potential. like GPS before ubiquitous smartphones
@diviaprocessing You can just have nice things!
*sic (I wrote this first, then convinced myself it was wrong and deleted it. smh)
ugh it might finally be time to sicc Astra on making an up-to-date, complete, and BEAUTIFUL version of this poster so that I can finally OWN ONE
okay but also the entire!! Roche map is just like ~5% of known human metabolism (you should be excited!!! about how much chemistry inside of you is completely unknown!!!) and Roche stopped updating it for exactly that reason
every time I think about how they stopped selling them I get mad that I don’t have one lol
@lydialaurenson @tracewoodgrains apparently you can't get sorted into Whole Earthers anyways because they're the ~ancestors~! (found this out while trying to see what it would take to get sorted into Hackers, and failing...)
@igypham @dlbydq @micsolana tbh I’m mostly belatedly reacting to a time in September when I saw a moot whom I usually respect & agree with being obtuse in Tyler’s replies and failing to grasp what I saw as various basic concepts 😂 but it wasn’t a good time for me to try to wade into the debate then
I don’t parse Tyler’s argument as implying everyone must short the example corroborates the argument as I understood it, which is that given one’s own beliefs, you can use a combination of financial instruments to tease apart one’s disagreement with the market cf. the quote at the end of the OG article that kicked off this clade of discourse, which seemed to be what many on Twitter (mysteriously to me!) took issue with: > Overall I am extremely skeptical of arguments that essentially take the form of “what I am concerned about is too big and too important to show up in any market prices.” Pick your market prices! marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolu…
@igypham @dlbydq @micsolana in that case that’s a different set of beliefs which can and should be representable by its own distinct combination of financial instruments!
@dlbydq @igypham @micsolana so we concede the dichotomous nature of doom (anthropic effects) doesn’t render E(dollars) worthless? :) as for whether Tyler’s OG argument yet holds — if you hold certain pessimistic beliefs and are only long, you’re still leaving value on the table! x.com/tylercowen/sta…
If you have very pessimistic fears or predictions about AI, name the market prices that will support or confirm them. That is what taking this seriously means: marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolu…
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